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[lwoodbloo]

These is a day where I would have called Her. But I won't do that. It
messes with my head too much to do so, and she doesn't need me.

Digression.

I've had gay marriage in my head all morning, from the announcement last night by George. I've been considering this for a while, and this is the conclusion I've come to.

White people are crazy. ;-)

Okay, maybe I'm not taking this too seriously, but I was.

This is NOT a temporal issue, people. This is a religious and cultural one. It's time to take marriage away from the secular authorities and give it back to religion. That is, if you want to officiate a gay wedding, go ahead. You're the rabbi/priest/imam/reverend. That's your call. Just understand that your ceremony has NO secular authority. NONE. Okay, now we don't need a constitutional amendment. Since marriage is no longer a secular/governmental matter, it would violate the establishment clause to mess with it. NOW. If you want to be joined in the eyes of the state for state/immigration/insurance purposes, there would be civil unions. A paperwork based state honoured service. NOT a sacrament. Y'see, we've got all these institutions that we've put together that are based on a "married" couple. That's hard to undo, it's a lot of tax law/estate law/etc to take apart and put back together. Throw all of that into MS Word, do a search/replace, and replace "married/marriage" with "civilly united/members of a civil union". All the blood tests and whatnot, the things we do now to certify that two people can get married, still have a license and whatnot for it. But it's a CIVIL authority, a TEMPORAL one. NOT a religious one. And with so many people not identifying with a religion, but still feeling the way they feel about others (and I mean hetero as well as homosexual couples by the way), they need a way to secure themselves. Oh. And if you're gay, and you want to be joined, WHY would you want to do it in a religious ceremony when MOST members of these religions hate your guts? Give them the finger, move to Cali, live together for X amount of time, and BANG, you're common law spouses with all the attendant rights. Correct me if I'm wrong, Californians. Might be Vermont I'm thinking of. Damn liberals.

I'm too through with people taking marriage and putting it on a pedestal too. If I hear about a couple spending $20,000 on a wedding and then getting divorced a year later, I'm gonna throw up. The Britney Spears thing really cemented this for me. Stunt Marriage, I guess.

Comments

[queencrckt.livejournal.com]

But what happens when you are deeply religious, and your church is supportive of you and your gay marriage? My church is. We do marriages that although the state does not recognize the church does. I guess the problem comes to the reasoning why you want to be married.

[lwoodbloo.livejournal.com]

I don't object to that. Get married by your church in your town by your minister. Go ahead! But take it AWAY from the government! Marriage as sacrament is NOT the same as Marriage as mechanic for probate/immigration. Don't take love and turn it into something else the state can legislate. I approve of church marriages. But I do NOT approve of marriage being used as a club against people.

[queencrckt.livejournal.com]

Ok, so I read your entry wrong. All good.

[ohmygodbecky.livejournal.com]

i kiss girls.

[lwoodbloo.livejournal.com]

No shit, sherlock. ;-)

[ohmygodbecky.livejournal.com]

hey i just had to point it out! :)

girls are hot,agreed? heh.

[lwoodbloo.livejournal.com]

Girls are weird. And White People Are Crazy.

[elordais.livejournal.com]

Amen, or something like it, brother.

[moon-beam.livejournal.com]

And if you're gay, and you want to be joined, WHY would you want to do it in a religious ceremony when MOST members of these religions hate your guts? Give them the finger, move to Cali, live together for X amount of time, and BANG, you're common law spouses with all the attendant rights.

that was awesome.

[lwoodbloo.livejournal.com]

Be my gay wifey, MooN!

[moon-beam.livejournal.com]

YES!

and white people ARE crazy.

[phoenixsong]

PA has common law marriage for straight folks. (And a law "defending" het marriage. s:P~ )

Supposedly, this is why people who get handfasted at Pennsic have to be careful about some types of legalities. Or so I've heard.

[lwoodbloo.livejournal.com]

Supposedly, this is why people who get handfasted at Pennsic have to be careful about some types of legalities. Or so I've heard.

Whyyyy???? Splain! Ask some SCA folks for me.

[phoenixsong]

Off the top of my head, I think it might have something to do with if the relationship ends, the handfasting could technically be considered binding.

cheshire23 would probably know better than I.

[booshanky.livejournal.com]

You're right, the government should get it's grubby hands out of the definition of marriage and leave it up to the churches, but it wont.

So what do you do then?

Make it equal.

But it really has nothing to do with equality, or the definition of marraige or any of that shit, it's a bunch of uptight morality crusaders trying to use legislation to oppress people they dont like.

[lwoodbloo.livejournal.com]

Maybe so. But if religious authorities were true to what they say they want, perhaps they'd do this. But OH WAIT, Christians (note capital C) want us all to be like them.

Fucking assholes.

[torontoangel.livejournal.com]

hey I live in Canada and we have gay marriage and the world has not fallen apart. Not to mention that my church also has a wonderful view towards gay marriage/rights. Hell, my favorite minister was lesbian, her partner was also a minister. Far as I know, they still haven't married - but they are an official couple in the eyes of their new fellowship in Illinois. Go UUs!

[songblaze.livejournal.com]

Sounds like you and I were thinking very much along the same lines on this one - my entry's a little ways back, I think february 16th.

And hey, I'm white and female! So we're not all nuts. Just the old, rich, white males who, for reasons beyond my comprehension, we keep electing.

~Blaze

[lwoodbloo.livejournal.com]

You are weird AND crazy, being white and female. ;-)

And what's with the sudden return to LJ, woman?

[songblaze.livejournal.com]

*laugh*

When I was at my parents house (most of December) and in Wales (nearly all of January) it was /really/ inconvenient to post on LJ, so I...didn't. I more or less kept up with reading people's journals, but that's about it.

And while I am most certainly weird, I would debate the crazy. Don't get me wrong, sanity's overrated but I haven't taken leave of mine yet.

~Blaze

(And for the record yes, my current LJ icon is me)

to the best of my knowledge...

[ladyjendifi.livejournal.com]

Reguardless of what most people think about all the dirty hippies living here, California is a pretty conservative state. A few years ago a proposition was passed that states that, "Marriage is only a union that exists between a man and a woman." I did not vote for that one. Civil unions are recognized, though I don't know details.

I suppose my dealio is that I don't understand why something that doesn't affect so many people enflames them so much. If my best friend in the whole wide world wants to marry his boyfriend he should be able to. It's no skin off your nose.

[tufuie.livejournal.com]

I would have to say I love your opinion :) :)

[ladyjendifi.livejournal.com]

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[merina888.livejournal.com]

I don't think it's actually about the moral issues as far as the government is concerned. With the government it's always about money. If my suspicions and what I've heard are correct, large corporations and the government would be dishing out large sums of money if they legalize homosexual marriages. Keep in mind it changes income tax and the like.

I also think that while Bush may be able to push an amendment through stating that marriage is between a man and a woman, it would probably be declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court if someone challenged it. It violates the "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" piece.